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Пересадка галльской головы на тевтонское тулово (кликабельно)
Про то, как немцы по заказу аргентинцев превратили свою БМП Marder в легкий танк TAM - идея, можно сказать, поперла. Мне трудно сказать кто именно, - но на Мардера стали ставить и другие танковые башни, в частности - от французского легкого танка АМХ-13. Причем, как видите, более-менее серийно. Кто этим развлекался - сказать сложно (источник - совершенно мелкий и слепой текст на немецком), но я грешу на аргентинцев же, - они одно время "картонные" АМХ-13 на БТРы переделывали, так, возможно, башни с вполне солидными 105-мм пушками на прилично забронированные Мардеры и переставляли?
+ еще одно мелкое фото
P.S. Тэг страны пока не ставлю, датировка приблизительная.
+ еще одно мелкое фото
P.S. Тэг страны пока не ставлю, датировка приблизительная.
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Date: 2012-07-06 11:22 pm (UTC)- аргентинцы башни резервировали для своего легкого танка, аналогичного Кирасиру: "58 AMX-13, se planeó su reemplazo por el tanque VC Patagon (desarrollo local, torre AMX montada en chasis de SK-105 Kürassier) pero el proyecto fue cancelado."
Да и этой версии Мардера у них вроде как и не было. А это не могут быть чилийцы?
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Date: 2012-07-11 11:19 am (UTC)Fives-Cail Babcock launches FL-20 turret
►Five-Cail Babcock FL-20 turret on Thyssen Henschel Marder chassis. The turret can be installed on tracked and wheeled vehicles weighing over 12 tonnes.
►Head on view of the Fives-Cail Babcock FL-20 sight and coaxial GIAT 20 mm F2 (M693) cann The 75 mm gun installed in the FL-10 turret could fire a high explosive round with a muzzle velocity of 750 m/sec or an armour piercing capped round with a muzzle velocity of 1000 m/sec, the latter penetrating 170 mm of armour at a range of 2000 m.
►Automatic loading system of the Fives-Cait Babcock FL-20 turret showing the two motorised drum type magazines, each of which holds six rounds of ammunition. A 105 mm APFSDS round is in position to be directly introduced into the breech.
By Christopher F Foss
THE FRENCH company Fives-Cail Babcock's latest turret, the FL-20 105 mm, will make its first public appearance at Satory this year. The company has been involved in the design, development and production of turrets for 40 years, and JDW recently paid a visit to the company's headquarters in Paris to be briefed on both the FL-15 and FL-20 turrets.
Turret design
Under contract to DEFA, Fives-Cail Babcock built its first FL series turrets shortly after the end of the Second World War. The first turret to be placed in production was the FL-10 armed with a long barrelled 75 mm gun which was installed on the highly successful AMX-13 tank which entered production at the Atelier de Construction Roanne in 1952.
This turret, like all other FL series turrets, is the oscillating type in which the gun is fixed in the upper part of the turret which in turn pivots on the lower part. In the turret bustle are two revolver type magazines, each of which holds six rounds of ammunition. After the gun has been fired the empty cartridge case is ejected out of the turret via a trap door in the turret rear.
Over 2000 FL-10 turrets were built, many of which remain in service. The FL-11 turret is similar in concept to the FL-10, but with turret bustle and its two six-round magazines removed; this was installed on the Panhard EBR (8 x 8) heavy armoured car, still used by the French Army today, and a few AMX-13 light tanks used in North Africa. With the removal of the semi-automatic loading equipment the 75 mm gun had to be loaded manually.
While the 75 mm was an excellent weapon, it was decided to rebore this to 90 mm and all French Army tanks were subsequently modified to this standard, which remains the current model for export. The 90 mm gun, with thermal sleeve, turret clearly showing commander's and gunner's on could fire four types of ammunition: canister, high explosive, high explosive antitank (HEAT) and smoke. The HEAT round would penetrate 320 mm of armour at 0°. More recently, GIAT has developed an armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) round which will penetrate a triple target at an incidence of 60° at a range of 2000 m. The French Army has some 800 AMX-13 light tanks in service with FL-10 turrets armed with 90 mm guns.
The FL-12 follows the same principles as the FL-10 but is armed with a 105 mm gun which fires the same projectiles as the GIAT AMX-30 MBT; the ammunition is, however, shorter as a less powerful charge is used and therefore a lower muzzle velocity.
Production of the FL-12 turret was finally completed in April 1984 after some 2000 had been built. In addition to being fitted on some AMX-13 light tanks built for export (including The Netherlands and Ecuador), the turret was fitted on all production Austrian Steyr SK 105 light tanks/tank destroyers produced for Austria, Argentina, Bolivia, Morocco and Tunisia. For trials purposes it was also installed on the ENGESA EE-17 Sucuri (6x6) tank destroyer, which never entered production.
In June 1983, Fives-Cail Babcock announced
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Date: 2012-07-11 12:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-11 12:46 pm (UTC)In June 1983, Fives-Cail Babcock announced that it had developed the FL-15 turret which, for trials purposes, was installed on a West German Thyssen Henschel Marder M1CV chassis. The FL-15 is a further development of the FL-12 and features an improved automatic loading system, TCV 186 laser rangefinder mounted on the turret roof with a maximum range of 10 000 m, SOPTAC fire-control system and new hydraulics. The FL-15 turret was also installed on a MOW AG Shark (8 x 8) vehicle and 60 rounds, including APFSDS, were fired without any problems.
FL-20 turret developed
So far only one prototype of the FL-15 has been built and tested, and Fives-Cail Babcock believes that this line of development has now been pushed as far as it can go. In 1982 a decision was taken to design a new two-man turret called the FL-20. Construction of the first prototype was started in 1983 and completed at the Fives-Cail Babcock facility at Denain in January this year. The turret was then installed on a Thyssen Henschel Marder chassis for firing trials at Bourges, which commenced in early April this year.
Fives-Cail Babcock is now building three pre-series turrets which are expected to be completed later this year. This will enable the company to have turrets in France for development work and turrets for overseas trials.
The French Army may fit an FL-20 turret to an AMX-30 MBT chassis for trials purposes. In designing the FL-20 turret, Fives-Cail Babcock is aiming at two distinct markets, installing the turret on brand new vehicles and retrofitting the turret onto chassis that have obsolete armament but many years of hull life remaining.
According to Fives-Cail Babcock, the FL-20 turret is suitable for installation on any tracked or wheeled chassis weighing over 12 tonnes. The weight of the FL-20 turret depends on armament and optional equipment installed, and ranges from 5800 to 6300 kg, the latter figure relating to the version with 20 mm coaxial cannon.
Description
The FL-20 turret is an all welded steel armour construction that provides the two man crew with complete protection against 14-5 mm KPV attack and is NBC proof.
Compared with the earlier FL turrets it not only has much greater armour protection, especially over the sides due to the overlapping armour on the lower part of the turret, but has much more room, improving crew efficiency.
The front area of the turret — the amount showing above the gun — is about 1 m1, compared to 1-70 m* of the M60 series MBT.
The commander is seated on the left of the turret with the gunner on the right; both have a single piece hatch cover that opens to the rear; the commander's station is raised slightly above that of the gunner for improved all round observation. The commander and gunner each have a day/night sight mounted in the turret roof forward of their hatch covers.
The commander has six periscopes for all round observation while the gunner has two that give observation to the front and right side.
The trunnions of the FL-20 are inside the upper part of the turret in line with the axis of fire and forward of the turret axis. The upper part of the FL-20 turret overlaps the lower part, the opposite of the FL-10 turret. The armament consists of a GIAT 105 mm 105G1 gun which is a development of the earlier D1504 (originally developed for the M51 Israeli Sherman tank) with muzzle brake and thermal sleeve which can fire the following types of operational GIAT fixed ammunition:
Mounted coaxially to the right of the main armament is a GIAT 20 mm F2 (M693) cannon with a cyclic rate of fire of 750 rounds a minute. The gunner can select single shots, burst of three rounds or continuous fire. A total of 400 rounds of 20 mm are carried ready for immediate use.
The following types of 20 mm ammunition can be fired by the F2: OEI or OEI-T, OEI-F5, OX and OXT and OXT POR RED with a muzzle velocity of 1050 m/sec, OPT with a muzzle velocity of 1 100 m/sec and OPT SOC with a muzzle velocity of 1280 m/sec. The empty 20 mm cartridge cases are ejected outside the turret through an ejection port in the right side while the links are collected inside the turret in a bag.